Our interview with our friends Chuck and Diane about taking their RV into Alaska.

Listen in as George and Lisa talk with their friends Chuck and Diane about their 2 year RV trip around the US and up into Alaska.

Chuck and Diane tell us about the ups and downs of venturing into Alaska, what it takes and what you need to know.

So sit back and enjoy as we hear all about their adventure.

Transcript

Lisa RichartHernandez  0:00  
Hi. Welcome back to RView. We have a great show for you today. We have our neighbors from Hilton Head motor coach resort, Chuck and Diane. They just completed a two year around the country trip, and there are going to tell us about one of the legs we've been dying to hear about, which is Alaska. So stay tuned.

intro  0:17  
Welcome to RView with your hosts, George and Lisa Hernandez each week, listen in as George and Lisa talk about their RV and travel adventures all around the world. George and Lisa travel in their 40 foot Class A Tiffin motorcoach and tow their Jeep Wrangler, always looking for fun and adventure. 

Lisa RichartHernandez  0:46  
Hi, welcome back to RView. I'm Lisa Richard Hernandez,

George  0:50  
and I'm George Hernandez, and we have our friends Chuck and Diane with us today, and we are so excited because, like Lisa said, they decided to go into a road trip, a two year road trip. And obviously we can't cover everything, but one of the most exciting things that we wanted to hear about was their leg when they went into Alaska. So if I could ask you guys, did you did you know you were going to go out for two years, or did you decide while you were on the road, sure,

Diane  1:21  
yeah, thanks for having us on I appreciate it. And yes, we could talk for ad nauseam about our trip, but we'll only stick to Alaska. Yeah, we we originally, five and a half years ago, when we started RVing, we thought we would go straight to Alaska, but thank God we didn't, because there's a lot to learn before you go to Alaska. So we decided that we would go explore the West, and instead of coming back to the East Coast, we'd just stay out west. And then once we got to California, we settled in for the winter, and then when the weather broke, we started to head up to Alaska. So yeah, that's what made us decide to to do it in two years, instead of just going straight out there.

Lisa RichartHernandez  2:10  
So now, when are you guys full timers? 

Diane  2:13  
We are full timers, and we've been for five and a half years. Yeah, Chuck,

Lisa RichartHernandez  2:16  
what did you do in your previous life?

Chuck  2:19  
I have no idea.

Lisa RichartHernandez  2:26  
So I think you we were FedEx driver, weren't you? 

Chuck  2:30  
Yes, I had 26 years effect Express, yes. So

Lisa RichartHernandez  2:33  
was going on a big, long road trip for two years intimidating to you at all like going up to Alaska? No,

Speaker 1  2:41  
because before that, I did 12 and a half years long distance. So I'd already been out there all this place except Alaska.

George  2:51  
Oh, wow. So you definitely had a good driver with you. Then yes, we did all right. So tell us, I know going into Alaska, you just don't put fuel in the RV and head up to Alaska. What how much planning did you guys actually do before you headed up there? So

Diane  3:08  
when we finally actually decided to do that, we spent a lot of time looking at other like caravans and people who have gone to Alaska and where we were in California, we were able to talk to two separate people, couples that had did done on Alaska trip. So we asked them a lot of questions. They gave us spreadsheets with some of their information places that they had gone, but I did a lot of research on other caravans that may have gone, that had plans to go to Alaska, and that was really helpful. But the main thing is asking questions, question, question, question. And which I did ad nauseam, of course. So we had, when we finally actually left the Seattle area and headed into Canada, we actually had, I had made 29 reservations to get us from June all the way through, I guess, towards the end of August, when we finally left Alaska and headed back into Canada and back out into Seattle area. So 29 reservations. That was a lot of planning. Wow,

George  4:12  
yeah, you don't just head up there. So did you find it difficult finding places to stay in Alaska. I don't know how many, if there's a lot of campgrounds, if there, or did you? How did that work out?

Diane  4:28  
Yeah. So the the with the ones we kept hearing about that were difficult would be Canada, because they don't have ones. We have a 45 foot motorhome class a motor home. So we were concerned about being able to find places for that, because Canada doesn't have a lot of them. Turns out we were able to find them. But I'll give you a secret, and I don't know if I should really tell this, but what I did was I looked at a caravans website, and when I say caravan, that's a, like a that's like a tour company that I. That maps out tours for our viewers. So I looked at theirs, and I found their trip that was going in the same direction, and I started to deduce where they were staying, and I knew if they were staying in that place, they could fit 45 foot motorhomes. So I kind of found, I kind of stole that's

Lisa RichartHernandez  5:22  
a great idea, though. It was very, really helpful. Yeah, did you use any kind of special software or anything when you were planning your trip? Because I know we used RV Trip Wizard a lot, and that was very helpful

Diane  5:33  
for us. What we do, we just Trip Wizard too, but that doesn't help as much in Canada and Alaska. I mean, it gives you campgrounds all over the place, but Alaska is huge. Canada is huge. It was overwhelming to me. So for me to follow those caravans, because they are mapped out trips, and there were places where we wanted to go again, Alaska's huge, but there's still only a limited number of roads that you would want to take a 45 foot motorhome to right?

George  6:04  
Yeah. Okay, so that that brings me to one of the questions that I've heard over and over, that the roads once you get to Alaska are horrendous. Was that true?

Chuck  6:15  
No, not really. Roads in Alaska are generally pretty good. The worst roads, and depending on what drought you go, is in the Yukon Territory, the area between destruction Bay, Yukon Territory and toke, Alaska, it's about 100 miles between there. And probably it's not all bad, but what is bad is bad. And

George  6:37  
okay, so is that like the most extreme for this part of Alaska now that you went to,

Chuck  6:43  
now we didn't go much further than Denali. Okay. Now, but the roads, from what we understand from people talk to the worst roads in Alaska, are the roads between destruction Bay and Alaska Highway heading north to Fairbanks and about way on the on the on the Klondike side of the or in the east side of the state and everything's where the roads going north and south are the worst. But the roads we were on were pretty good in Alaska. Well, you know, unless you had construction and my little

George  7:14  
pit, yeah, well, that's like the US then, right? Oh, that's good to hear, because I always heard that they were notorious and they would beat up your RV. But that that's really good to hear 1520,

Chuck  7:23  
years ago. Yeah, there's only so many of them were a lot of them were gravel on a lot of stretches, but they're all paved now.

George  7:29  
Yeah, when? When did you go? What time of the year? June, 3

Chuck  7:34  
to August, 19. We come back August, 19.

George  7:38  
So June to August. So is that when it's mostly daylight,

Chuck  7:44  
daylight almost all the whole time it's day. Wow.

George  7:47  
How was that? How did loved it? Did you really? Oh, yeah, I think I would, I think I would love it too, because it, to me, it feels like it would open up all these weird options, like go for a hike at one o'clock in the morning

Diane  8:02  
or at midnight. It's sunny. It's sunny. It's like, you could get a suntan at midnight. I took pictures. I'm like, it's sunny right now, and and I realized how much I'm solar powered. So to me, it was like, Oh, I could do anything at midnight, you know, now, I mean, if you were there now it's, you know, getting dark at three o'clock in the afternoon, and I'd be in

Chuck  8:25  
bed, right? And it stays mostly dark now, pretty soon as it as it goes on to Season ones, and it'll be dark. Okay, so then the

George  8:31  
next obvious question is, did your body adjust? Did you guys have to do anything special to your RV I know most people have blackout curtains in their RVs anyway. Yeah, so, okay, so nothing special there. That's good, because I always wondered how I would react with sunlight all the time. Because we wake up with any little beam of light, we're wide awake, and then once we're up, we're up

Diane  8:56  
well, so here's the thing, how would you work with no sunlight. And that's how I felt like I learned that. I mean, I can go, go, go with sunlight, but if I had to go with no sunlight, I bet I'd be a little pretty lazy person.

Lisa RichartHernandez  9:12  
Well, I think about it's getting dark at five o'clock right now, and I'm ready to have my pajamas on, and if my phone rings at like 630 I'll look why is anybody calling me so late? I can only imagine, all day long, if it was blackout, all day, I'd be like, Why does anybody call me so dark out

Diane  9:30  
at all that's funny. Yeah.

George  9:34  
I definitely, yeah. I definitely would not like all dark. And I know the sun comes up for a little bit, but it just skims the horizon, right? Yeah, wow. Yeah, that

Diane  9:44  
it's not, it's not the, you know, the popular travel season, obviously, yeah, winter is not the popular travel season for an army, yeah,

George  9:53  
and I wouldn't want to be up there with all that snow and everything. So tell us about some of the resorts that you stayed in and a. Alaska, or, I don't know if they were even resorts, just campgrounds, basically parking space. Yeah, some

Chuck  10:06  
of them were like parking spaces. Others were, you know, somewhat like campgrounds. There's a couple we stayed in that were, let's see the one. The one in Palmer was, was a, you know, it was a koa had been taken over. It was like a mom and pop one, but the KOA took it over and it was, it was decent, 50 amp, you know, sewer and water

Diane  10:24  
Canada. Canada has mostly campgrounds that are 30 amp, 15 and 30 amp service, so, but we did okay, because, quite frankly, the weather is, you know, kind of dreary and dark and or not dark, but cloudy. So you're not getting a whole lot of you're not needing a whole lot of air conditioning. I don't think we turned the air conditioner on at all, being

Chuck  10:52  
put in shorts until we got back down to Washington state. So,

Diane  10:56  
yeah, so you're, you're not really, I mean, we did fine with 30 amp service, even though we would normally have 50 amp service. Amp service campgrounds are minimal, but they're fine. Sometimes they have beautiful you're right there in the middle of wilderness, like for example, we got to watch a we got to watch a eagle's nest right at our campground and watch them with babies and the whole bit, you know, watch them fly down into the little river and pick up fish and feed their babies. We got to watch that in in Toad River, Yukon Territory that was, that was British Columbia. We got to watch beavers right in a beaver dam and swim around and, you know, feed their babies. We got to see swans and moose. And so, you know, you trade some of the luxuries of a resort for the wilderness and for the wildlife and nature, which is, why? Why else go into Alaska or,

George  11:57  
alright? And I know everybody's thinking it. How about bears?

Chuck  12:01  
Well, the thing that thing to tell everybody, and if you want to see critters, Canada's where you see critters. You know, we saw whales in Alaska. That's only because the salmon run was starting and they were coming up to feed. And I mean, coming up to get feed, and then, you know, it's their winter time, they come up to, you know, the fatten up and stuff, you know, before they turn back down south. But bald eagles. We saw bald eagles. And we saw a couple moose in Alaska. Otherwise, you know, the roads, they stay away from the roads and all. But in Canada, and there's a lot less traffic and everything, we saw bears alongside Road, eating the dandelions. We saw elk. We saw goats, Horn

Diane  12:39  
Sheep, mountain goats. So the funny, so in June was when we were going through British Columbia and into Yukon Territory, Canada, mows probably 100 yards on either side of their highways so you can see their wildlife, or

Speaker 1  12:57  
they keep the trees cut way, way back, bigger too, right? So that so

Diane  13:01  
you can see if there's any wildlife, and you can keep from hitting them, and they can keep keep under they can see you. That makes sense. So, but it happened to be June, and all the dandelions were on the side of the road. Bears love black bears love dandelions. So we would be hudden down the road, and all of a sudden, maybe you see a car Way ahead of you, or another camper Way ahead of you, and you see brake lights, and you're like, Oh, what are they stopping for? And it's because there are bears on the side of the road, or they were stopping because there's a we called them frost heaves, because the roads have frost heaves, a lot of frost heaves. So you'd slow down so that you're not, you know, going over so you don't destroy your car.

Speaker 1  13:43  
Yeah, you can generally see them coming and everything. They weren't nearly as young. We saw some in Canada and all, but they weren't too bad. But the other thing about is, when you see the brake lights, after all, we realized that the brake lights, somebody saw something to look at. So we would slow down, and you'd be on the highway and stop and start, you know, taking pictures and videos and stuff, you know. I mean, the traffic can count on how we find, yeah, nothing I like in the States, yeah, really it's not, it's a two lane, you know, it's, you know, so we

George  14:11  
see the here in the United States, they have everything

Diane  14:13  
else they do. They do, Wow, that's crazy. Could have been a herd of elk or herd of mountain goats or bighorn sheep or something like that. Not

Speaker 1  14:22  
to mention, though, the scenery stuff. Every day there was something to see, scene scenic wise, you know, well,

George  14:27  
when we did our and we did a cruise to Alaska, so I'm sure it's not even the same, but that was one of the things that we I mean, every morning we woke up at a different port and we would look around like, wow, this is absolutely beautiful. And even when we stopped in like a what I would call a pretty populated city, it was still it You didn't have to look far to see beautiful mountains and the water and animals even, I mean, it was, it was beautiful

Diane  14:55  
lakes. We saw emerald colored lakes, and, oh, they. Just say that's what

George  15:00  
I would love to see, really gorgeous. So what, what was your, your favorite location or destination that really you just like, wow, blew my mind.

Speaker 1  15:10  
I think Denali, we're in in talkit now, and all we, I think that was it, because that's where we flew up to uh, Denali to mountain and land on a glacier. And also, I think we like that the most. That was the most exciting thing. It

Diane  15:28  
depends too, like there are just so I mentioned Toad River. Toad River was just this little campground that was in the middle of nowhere in British Columbia, Canada. It was actually a truck stop, and it had a little restaurant. But my camps, our campsite was right on the toad River. This enormous Beaver Dam was right there. You're watching the beavers, you're watching the moose come in. You're watching the Signet, the swans float, you know, floating on the river. I mean, just really like stuff that, you know, I'm not used to seeing every day. Yeah, beautiful nature, yeah. But I think, like Chuck said, talkitna is just south of Denali, and that's where we actually took off from to fly into Denali and fly all around Denali and then land on it was a, it was a ski plane. Well,

Speaker 1  16:22  
it's, it's, it's skis and wheels on, because it skis the land on the glacier, the wheels the land back, you know, on the runway and stuff.

George  16:32  
So you did a fixed wing or helicopter. Oh yeah, oh

Speaker 1  16:36  
yeah. It's a the Havlin beaver. I think it's nine place aircraft.

Diane  16:41  
Talk about a cool talk about a cool job. Our pilot, half the time he fly. He's New Zealand. From New Zealand, half the time he flies in New Zealand, tour play, tour flights. And half the times area in the summer in Alaska, like and he's, you know, a young guy has 10 years flying, but, you know, young enough,

Lisa RichartHernandez  17:01  
wow. So they actually land, like, almost like a runway, like, right off. We did a helicopter, uh, tour onto the glacier, and that was really cool, yeah, but I can't even imagine landing there like that. That's like, Oh my God, it was Daredevil. There

Speaker 1  17:15  
was three aircraft on it. One time there was one already there. We landed, and then a total of three on the glacier by time we land them, because we turn around and we left, and there was two more left behind. But it's pretty big and all. But

Diane  17:30  
here's a funny thing too that you could do if you're if you have enough money and you're some time we go to land on this glacier, but we fly past this huge outcropping of rocks like that just juts up in from the glacier, just up up into the sky. And there's a building on there, and he said that pilot told us it was a luxury chalet. We

Speaker 1  17:54  
could see that from the glacier we landed, and you

Diane  17:58  
could actually stay there. Had your own helicopter pile, you know, your own helicopter and your own staff on this lovely luxury chalet. And it was, uh, only $30,000 a night and a three night minimum. Oh, that's it. Your own chef. Let's book it exactly. I thought, What a great way to have a you know, I

George  18:20  
mean, if, if you had the money, that's that, wow. Imagine waking up in the morning and seeing that, or the sunset and, oh my, I

Diane  18:29  
don't want to drink, though I wouldn't want to drink. Yeah, that first, that first step is

Speaker 1  18:32  
a duty there. Well, the thing was, there was no sunset or sunrise and everything. So you could sit out there, oh yeah, you could sit out there all day. So it was all kind of, it didn't change much, and all, but, but, I mean, on a sunny day, it was really nice, like a lot of times in Alaska, it's special around airline. You getting a lot of cloudy days overcast? Yeah. We had a few honors rainy season. And Denali is 20, 22,000 23,000 feet, yeah. And it's not see, only down to 13,000 so we didn't see. There's, you know, 10,000 feet of the mountain we didn't see.

George  19:06  
Oh, wow. So, yeah, we had a couple of days like that where the tops of the mountains were cut off because the cloud clouds were kind of low. Our helicopter pilot was the same thing, young guy, and the whole time flying out there, he's just telling us how much he loves his job. And we're like, yeah, we can see why, yeah. But we one of our the things that was cool for us was wherever we did it. This was like the first town or city that was in that area, right? So when we flew over the mountain, he said, Okay, this is the the view that's going to blow your mind, because once we go over this mountain, you are going to see nothing but white for as far as the eye can see, and it goes beyond that. So this is what they talk about. You know, Alaska being just still primitive. There's nothing out there. Man, it was

Diane  19:57  
wild. It's the world. And I what I really. Loved was talking to the people that, you know, they moved there because that's what they want. They they really like the challenge of living in the wilderness, even though they're sitting. May be living in a, you know, in a house or whatever, but they can easily step out and just, you know, just be in the wilderness, cold, but, you know, wilderness.

Lisa RichartHernandez  20:19  
Yeah, I thought that was interesting, too. When we saw locals, I was like, I can't believe they live here. They were talking about how they would get stuff by helicopter or airplane from Costco and stuff from the other, you know, islands or whatever, or bigger cities, I guess. So

Diane  20:33  
here's the other thing we learned, too that was really cool. So a lot of the people that work there, in the service professions, restaurants and all that, they work Alaska in the summertime and then they go to Hawaii and work the rest of the year in Hawaii. Like, that's a tough life. Yeah?

Lisa RichartHernandez  20:48  
Nice, yeah, life that's, that's really cool. What? How many days did you spend overall? How long were you I

Diane  20:57  
don't know. How many days June 3 in

Speaker 1  21:00  
Alaska. Yeah, I don't know, we cross. We took two weeks, maybe, to get up, get to Alaska. Toke is the first civilization on the Alaska Highway. You know, when you're there, and that's still, what, 90 miles from the Yukon border. It's an hour and a half down, a little bit more than that. So it's about 90 miles almost, I think, to tote from the Yukon,

Lisa RichartHernandez  21:23  
Alaska border. So almost, almost two weeks just driving from the border of Canada, from

Diane  21:29  
the border of Canada, we

Speaker 1  21:30  
took our time. I mean, when we crossed over, we crossed over and and port Blaine, which is just this east of Vancouver, and we went into Burnaby to a campground there. Not, not recommended it for 45 footers, for sure. So we hung out there for four or five days, messing around with Vancouver. And then we left him. We headed on up so that we spent, like, partial week there now, but we spent like, what, three days, two days in Dawson Creek, that's where you pick up the Alaska allagan highway. We had cache creek for two days, for two days.

Diane  22:10  
It was probably two weeks or so to get into Alaska. It was a little longer. So,

Lisa RichartHernandez  22:14  
because I always think about this when we drive, you know, out west or whatever, how long that takes. And, you know, like we went to Tucson only from Alabama, so we were right in the middle of the country. We went to Tucson, and that took us a good week to get there. I mean, we would drive some long days and then take a day or two off, and then drive some long days and but it almost, it took over a week. So our

Diane  22:37  
mantra is, you know, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. So we really took our time going out there and stopping at places, because you don't, you know, I mean, you you get some here we are in, you know, Toad River, Canada, and I could have stayed there another week, because it was just so cool. But you don't know these places. It's not like anybody. It really has a lot to do with your own personal desires, and what you know really pops your cork. So just

George  23:07  
you gotta enjoy it, because it's not the kind of trip that you go. Hey, let's do that again next year. You know, I know it takes a lot to do it, to plan it. How is so? How was fuel? Was that hard to get? Was it easy?

Unknown Speaker  23:23  
Now, if it wasn't hard to get, I just picture

George  23:25  
like being out in the middle of nowhere and that light coming on and being like, Oh no.

Speaker 1  23:31  
Well, those roads are on. Is it's main already. There's in to get to Canada, North, South, and everything coming from Vancouver or from other areas. And everything you got one Rab going north and south, like for us, and everything we you start out on, I think it's across Canada Highway. Then you get up on Highway 97 which goes all we have to do, Toad River, I mean, goes up to Dawson Creek. And then from there, that's where Alcan starts. And then I heads across with us all, with all the truck traffic,

George  24:02  
yeah. I mean, all the trucks go there. So they have to

Speaker 1  24:04  
have any other, any other roads. You go on everything. You gotta use an ATV. I mean, again, over four driving stuff. I mean, it's just no other roads. So you find a lot of fuel, easily to find fuel and stuff. So, I mean, there might be a stretch between there, but, you know, yeah, but

George  24:19  
that makes sense. All the trucks are on there, yeah, so they got a fuel up, yes.

Speaker 1  24:23  
I mean, you know, you can find fuel, and it's by the leader, which is about a gallon and a quart.

Diane  24:32  
So it's expensive, yeah, save your money. Yeah, it's expensive to I mean, just Canada and Alaska are expensive. So, but the

Speaker 1  24:40  
thing of it is, though you're paying Canadian dollars, and that's 75 to one. So 75 cents, you know, Canadian exchange rate, exchange rate. So, so it's not as bad as all. That's what it was worth. Actually, fuel was worse in California, Oregon and Washington. You know that was, that was the worst. You know, we five bucks again. I really would have liked to had a tanker truck

Diane  25:04  
following us.

Speaker 1  25:08  
Yeah, that was bad. That's where that really eats into your wallet. Terranary, but yeah, and but Alaska, the fuel prices weren't that bad, really anything. Well,

Diane  25:18  
it's good to be back in South Carolina, where it's a lot less, yeah, well,

Lisa RichartHernandez  25:21  
it's gone down some too. Notice that, as in our travels as well, random curious things, like, did you have cell phone service the whole time? Like, were you ever worried, like, what? What if something happened we wouldn't have phone service or anything like, things like that.

Diane  25:37  
You're right. No, you we didn't have cell phone service in many places along the Alaska, Alaska Highway, only when you got to the towns and the cities would you get cell phone service. But we did, I don't know. I guess we didn't have any issues. I did feel sorry for if you saw like a trailer on the side of the road, and hopefully somebody would stop and, you know, help them out. But, yeah, there were many times we had no self self service.

Speaker 1  26:06  
Well, if you have an iPhone, you know, you get rescued. Because we have satellite with the cell phone with, you know, you can text and get help if

Speaker 2  26:16  
you have an iPhone, you know, oh, I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah,

Speaker 1  26:19  
you can do that. You can text and go to Mercy and everything. And no,

George  26:23  
in, yeah, it goes into SOS mode, service, right? And

Speaker 1  26:27  
then you go, you just press the buttons on the side, and it pops up, and services will pick it up. So, you know, you can always get service. You can always get somebody to, yeah, you can always get somebody to come rescue you. So,

Lisa RichartHernandez  26:39  
well, maybe my phone. I see George giving me these googly eyes like, Huh? It's because I have an iPhone and you have an Android. I bet my Android does it too. Not

Diane  26:51  
gonna have to stay on the side of the wishful thinking. We'll all get picked up

Lisa RichartHernandez  26:56  
and Alaska with my Android, seeing Lisa. That's

George  27:01  
very funny. You've got that. Lisa has that big, gigantic flip open phone. She could use that to send out signals like

Chuck  27:11  
a mirror reflect. That thing about was too is that we found Alaska and all and Canada when we did have service AT T was better than horizon wasn't as good a coverage as at two, which is surprising, you know, but that's

Diane  27:27  
so that's the reason why 29 reservations, I wanted to make sure we had a place to stay. We didn't have any questions about anything. We were safe and we could get places. However, there are a lot of large sort of pull offs on the side of the road in many different places, along Canada and into Alaska, where you could actually just pull over, nobody's going to bother you. You could stay there overnight and and, man, wow. Some of the beautiful scenery. We only did that once or twice to, I think twice, in our travels. But boy, it was great to just be able to, like, pull over and stop.

Chuck  28:01  
We did that next lay down yard there and on the cassiar. And then we did it going back down and by that lake when we were all on the way back down, you don't remember. I'll show you the pictures.

Lisa RichartHernandez  28:15  
So speaking of campgrounds and making reservations, when we were doing our cross country, we made reservations for, like, the first, I don't know, probably six or eight weeks. And then we got, oh, we were only gone for eight weeks, so I think maybe three or four weeks we had reserved out. Then we were, like, kind of started reserving them on the road, because we didn't want to go too far out. If anything happened, we'd have a million reservations to cancel. Did you? Did you take any of those like, did you have to take any of that into consideration? Or, what would you, would you have done anything differently when you came to planning? Surprisingly,

Diane  28:51  
we didn't have to change any of our reservations. I mean, I was, I was shocked that we were able to keep to the schedule. But, you know, would I have liked to have been more like a gypsy and just sort of go with the flow, but I don't know. We learned many years ago that it's just harder to do that when you have a 45 foot motorhome. And I didn't want to put us in any kind of, you know, as I say, I don't want to release the Tasmanian devil. All right, sure, we had a place to go, and we knew what we were doing. Instead of just saying, Where are we going to go? Where are we going to stay? What if we can't get up? You know?

Lisa RichartHernandez  29:24  
Yeah, I would be the same way. That's why I was wondering. What about were the campgrounds very full? Was it hard to get reservations at places?

Diane  29:31  
So I was assuming that there'd be a lot more caravans that would be, that could be like 1215, motor homes, or, you know, campers that are traveling together. We didn't have any problems with that. But there were places that I wanted to be able to stay, like two weeks, and that's what you know. So when in one of the popular places, like Homer, Alaska, Alaska and Seward and even up near Denali, I wanted, I wanted to be able to stay a little. Longer. So I wanted to make sure that we had a reservation, and especially if it was going to be crowded, because, of course, yeah, it was the the main time when most people, you know, travel to Alaska. So, so, yeah, we, we, I don't think I mean we, there were places where it was somewhat full, but I was kind of surprised that it wasn't as full as I had heard. But I think last year might have, or this past year might have been a little less travel for our viewers, especially up to Alaska.

Lisa RichartHernandez  30:35  
Yeah, yeah, that's possible. When we when it was 2020, I mean, there was, like, when we went to the major attractions like Yellowstone, I mean, we I couldn't even find reservations for us. Like I some sometimes places that I wanted to stay longer. We had to do like Moab, Utah, the first time, I think we stayed at two or three different campgrounds because we wanted to stay a whole week, but nobody had a week, so we had to kind of bounce around, which, you know, kind of puts a wrench in the system. When you got to check out at 11, they don't let you check in till three. And what do you do for those hours in between? So, but that was 2020. Yeah, I didn't know. Like, do we need to plan a year ahead? Like, how far in advance did you start planning?

Diane  31:14  
I'd say probably about six months in advance. I started to really look into it, and then start making the reservations. And I think, well, as far as 2020, I'm assuming a lot of the places were shut down anyway, yeah,

George  31:33  
we didn't have a hard time. We were able to find places. But the popular places where it's like you said, the everyone, everywhere you want to you really want to stay, you want to book ahead of time. So I totally understand your planning. And I think when we did our cross country trip, God, we probably planned that for about six months because we were, we were trying to figure out, all right, we take the North route there, and then the south route back, and this is what we want to see, and this is what we want to see. So I guess going to Alaska, it's just, to me, it's like going to a different world, you know. So I totally, and I'm like, You, I want to make sure that I've got a spot, and I want to be there for a week. I don't want to have to worry about, oh, like Lisa said in Moab, we had to check out at one place at 11, the next place is at three. Your whole day is gone. So if you can enjoy it, more than even better. So usually people tell us about the great things. Was there anything that you were like, wow, that was disappointing, or, wow, that was scary, or anything like that. I

Chuck  32:46  
don't recommend going to Valdez. There's nothing there, you know. Yeah, that's, it's, it's, it's, out of the way, it's, you know, so it's, there's nothing happening there, really. I mean, you could go fishing, but if you want to spend an arm and a lead go out and go fishing. You know, you can do that. But I think we saw kayak rattle rentals and everything. By the time we got done with two kayak rentals and done and everything, we'd have had 600 $700 in

Diane  33:12  
it. Wow, it's a little, it's small, and there's not a whole lot to do there. But if you like to fish, and especially if you really like to fish. Yeah, you can fish there. I think I mistakenly thought of Valdez because of the oil spill. And it's, you know, it's like, in my head, like, oh, Valdez, that's good about these. Well, our sister

Speaker 1  33:33  
in law went there because she flew up as one of her bucket list things should be every hit every state, and Alaska was near the end of that bucket list fulfillment. But they ended up, they did go there because they were, they they were on cruise ship, or something, a small cruise ship, or they flew in there somehow, you know, cruise ship. Miss one. Dot for cruise ship and our small cruise ship. And they said they were there, and I just recommended it, but we didn't see anything. The only good part about it was, is in the RV park ran, they let us watch the motorhome in the jeep. That's right. Oh, that's motor. The motor the motorhome was, it looked like it was covered with dried chocolate milk.

George  34:13  
Yeah, I've seen pictures of RVs that have gone through, yeah, through those highways. It's just a big dusty road, yeah?

Speaker 1  34:18  
Well, when you on the I call it the Ho Chi Minh, now the Alaska Highway from Yukon, but it seems like it's been bombed out. They try to keep the dust down, and they'll spray water on it,

George  34:32  
which then makes it muddy, yeah,

Speaker 1  34:35  
you get caked on. Much I'd rather have the dust, but so between then, you know, you get it get wet, and then you go to a dusty spot, and then the dust gets on. It makes

George  34:44  
it worse, yes, yeah, it just sticks on more, yeah. So

Diane  34:46  
as far as the things that I didn't like, I mean, this might sound stupid, but I knew that it was going to be obviously chilly. And, you know, cold in Alaska, but it was cold at times, and it was drizz. You're dreary, so it makes it hard to like, do something. So if you ask an Alaskan, they're like, if you have to ask what the weather's like, then you're just not dressed properly. They'll do anything in that weather. And you know, me not being used to that kind of weather, you're like, Okay, I have to put on my rain gear again. Who wants to go hiking in the rain or kayaking in the rain or the drizzle or the dreariness or the cold? So you'd start to kind of get used to that. But that was probably the part that I didn't like the most, was the the cold and dreary, rainy part. But if I went again, at least I would know it,

George  35:41  
right? You'd be prepared, sort of, that was, I guess, the same thing as the cruise. I guess, you know, you go on a cruise and you're expecting, oh, man, it's gonna be sunny, it's gonna be beautiful. And it was beautiful. It was sunny, but it was it just never got warm. And then we would ask some of the locals when we would get off the ship, and we'd say, man, you know, what's the weather like here, normally? And they're like, Oh, you're lucky. This is, like, beautiful. It was snowing last week, you know? And we're like, wow, okay, so, but they're used to it. They live there, so they're used to it. They'll take every little bit of sunshine they can get, because when the winter kicks in, the winter kicks in,

Diane  36:18  
but they even do a lot in the winter, you know, like they ski, they fish, they they'll still go out in that weather, you know, they just know how to dress. I mean, they just know how to dress for it. So, Whoa, it's good for them. It's

Speaker 1  36:30  
fun at some place. And everything you could, you know, drag out the snowmobile and all ass down the road, you know. But a lot of parts of the roads, they had actually had a section off the highway when he saw it for ATVs and snowmobiles. So you had your own you didn't have to ride on the pavement. You could just blast down the side. Yeah,

Lisa RichartHernandez  36:47  
that is like Michigan. I grew up in Michigan on snowmobiles. So I can remember my dad riding snowmobiles to the office sometimes when all the streets were closed, but that was a long time ago. Did you speaking of snow? I mean, I know you were there in the summer, but did you have any like snow or freezing or bad weather or anything like that? No, no, no.

Speaker 1  37:07  
I mean, we, let's be clear, there was not every day was not overcast, and jury, there were some sunny days. I mean, it wasn't a total washout. I don't know the ratio or anything like that, but it may have been 5050, but, but, you know, the day is good. One good thing about Alaska is, and I know is the glaciers. That's the one thing you can look forward to seeing. Alaska has the most still advancing glaciers in the on the planet, there's over 200 I think some like 200 some glaciers, they're still advancing. Not all of them are retreating. Some are still advancing. But, you know, we we saw a few of those, so that you will see a lot of at all but,

Diane  37:48  
but there is no snow when we were there, or anything like, right? Like, I wonder, know that had been on the ground, but no snow

Lisa RichartHernandez  37:54  
to do any kind of winterizing things or anything for the coach that you know, it

Speaker 1  37:58  
never, especially for the weather. It never got down to freezing, maybe up the higher elevations, but I don't think it ever got much lower than high 40s, you know, maybe at night. I don't even think we ever turned the floors on at all. Well, we're up here, did we? I don't know it was, we didn't have the columbias on, that's for sure, you know, but, but it wasn't bad. It wasn't bad,

Lisa RichartHernandez  38:20  
yeah, well, I, I coming from South Carolina, I kind of enjoyed when we went to Alaska in the middle of the summer. Was a good break. I'm like, go to Michigan in August. It's the best time to go, you know, like, that's, that's what we did. I know Alaska is a lot colder than that, but it was. We had

Diane  38:38  
a good time, though. They had as far as, like, food and stuff the, you know, if you like fish, I mean, the halibut that we went one night and splurged on King Crab legs and just sat at the bar and spent like 75 bucks on, you know, a pound and a half of King Crab legs. Where did we go? Yeah, that was

Speaker 1  38:59  
in where we where we took the taxi down to Juneau. I think we were

Lisa RichartHernandez  39:04  
in Juneau. Did you to Kelly's crab legs? Did you go to that place? No, that was right, where the ship what that was right, where the ship came in. So it was, it was kind of a tourist trap, but it was good. So

Diane  39:14  
that's one of the places that I actually was kind of was iffy about, was Juno, because there were five cruise ships that came in that day. Yeah, one had 5000 people on it. That

Lisa RichartHernandez  39:26  
might have been us. That was out. That was how we were. It's like they come in a storm and then they by five o'clock, they're gone.

Speaker 1  39:32  
Yeah, they were. He had like three at Seward. That's where they were there. That's where we had the crab legs at a restaurant right there on the marina or the docks and stuff. And they were cheap, as we found, they were $75 for a pound. So we had, each of us had half a pound king crab legs, which were really

Diane  39:53  
good plenty.

We had three Holy

Lisa RichartHernandez  39:57  
cats. I never thought I could get. Sick of eating cane crab legs. But I think, I think we, we actually were like, I can't eat anymore. That's ridiculous. It's embarrassing.

Speaker 1  40:12  
We would have, we've done more, have we had the place we fear? Well, maybe we'll find somewhere else, but other where else. Usually it was like 90 bucks for, for a pound, or, yeah, pound and a half maybe something. I mean, you know, another, you know, $15 for, for another half pound would have been so bad, I guess. But,

George  40:30  
yeah, but though it's probably the same, but those King crack legs were humongous. I mean, so one bite is like a mouthful, and we one bite. Normally, it's a mouthful. But you know what I'm saying? Usually, when you get it in the States, it's not

Lisa RichartHernandez  40:46  
quite it's, I mean, they're still king crab legs. We're all Alaska. They're all the same. It's just better when they're in a less,

Diane  40:52  
oh, absolutely right out of the water and under your plate. And they just,

Lisa RichartHernandez  40:56  
I mean, the the place we got him from, the guy was literally just like, steaming them right there as you like, walked in. But

Diane  41:03  
I did, I did take a few websites where you can get, you know, you can still get that shipped, yeah, shipped to where you are that. And I found out that I really like, we've tried a different kind, bunch of different kinds of salmon, and I found out that my favorite is the sockeye salmon. So we did, I did salmon. I mean, it was delicious, just and halibut was delicious. And you can get some really good flash frozen shipped to your door, fish, you know, from from Alaska, which I knew that all along. But, you know, being there and and seeing it, testing it, tasting it, you know, makes it

Speaker 1  41:41  
yeah better. The Copper River salmon was good. I like that. That was pretty good. But, yeah, I did go fishing once out of

Diane  41:50  
that was, that was Stewart. Seward, right? Seward. Seward, yeah. Seward, well,

Speaker 1  41:55  
I forget amp anyhow. And they halibut had already started heading out for deep, deeper, colder water. So they were saying, you know, not really catching any, too many of those. So we went out for rockfish, which I really like rockfish. It's good too. But anyhow, we got out there, and I was making jokes on the way out everybody. I'm like, hey, if everybody doesn't catch a fish, it's generally my fault, because I never catch anything. You know, I'm by just kind of like talking about that. And one of the crew members heard that. And also we're out there, and we drop our lines in the water, and we're bringing them up and back to my seam, setting this other rig up next to me, and on any I'm gonna looks different than what we were fishing. And see Here, hold this. I said, Okay, I held that. And he goes, I'll put yours down. He says, hold this. I'm like, okay, and everything. He said, No, fish it, you know, I'm like, Oh, by that time I started, bam, it hit,

Diane  42:43  
and I had a halibut. Oh, yes, the only halibut on the boat,

Speaker 1  42:47  
in the boat. Now, I brought it up and and also our browser catching rockfish and some other stuff. Not all rockfish you can keep. Some are species you can't keep. You have to put them back. But they had, quite a few people had some rock fish and stuff. But so did

Lisa RichartHernandez  43:03  
you get to keep the hell of it and eat it? Oh,

Chuck  43:05  
yeah, we ate it. It's gone. It's gone.

Diane  43:08  
There might be one small piece left in the freezer, but yeah, they flash freeze it, and you pick it up the next morning. They slay it. And, you know, prepare it and, yeah, freeze it, pick it up the next day. How big was it? Chuck,

Lisa RichartHernandez  43:21  
we can't see the visual. It's

George  43:23  
about three feet.

Unknown Speaker  43:27  
I'd say it's, it was probably about, what, 910, pounds, something like that. It wasn't really big, but it wasn't small either. Not as big as they get. I mean, some of them get really huge, like 100 and 150

Diane  43:38  
Oh, wow, oh yeah. But I think we only got about two pounds out of it, yeah, after it was prepared and frozen,

Chuck  43:44  
right? Yeah. But yeah, it was.

Lisa RichartHernandez  43:46  
But it's funny how hard it is to reel in some of those fish. I was cracking up when we were down in Alabama, our friends own the DI reef monster, and we went deep sea fishing with them the first time. Same thing he he's like, just hold this rod, all right, reel it in. And I was like, and we caught so many fish. I was like, my arms are broken. But I thought, like, everyone must have been at least, like, the size of a whale. And it was like, that's all that was.

George  44:13  
Strong, strong swimmer.

Chuck  44:14  
That's right, really, well, they are fighting for their lives. Yeah.

Diane  44:17  
Really, right. Speaking of whales. We did when we went from Juneau, we were speaking about whales, yeah. Well, she said, yeah. So we we went from Juneau, I was trying to segue into the whales. We went from Juno to Okay, Haynes. We went from Juno to Haines, and that's where we got to see the whales, and we got some amazing video of a mom and baby breaching and swimming together. We were right next to them, just, oh, God, it was just amazing. Well,

Chuck  44:52  
Hanes Haines is a port also, and everything, but there's, there's only one way over that. But sometimes people come in there. They'll come in and hang. So it was a, it's a water taxi. We're on high speed taxi. And they went over to drop somebody off, and on went back by to pick somebody up. But yeah, the whole trip we were seeing miles. And then we had sea lions. Sea Lion is huge, again, 50 or 60 of them on a colony. We got close to them, but we saw a lot of whales on that ride between, you know, Seward. And we

George  45:21  
saw the sea lions on the on the buoy. Remember? They were all out there sunning themselves. And it was a big group of them. And there was one big, giant guy, like the king of the mountain, Yep, yeah. Nobody messes him. He

Diane  45:33  
was, yeah. Then that was all of his harem below him.

Chuck  45:37  
Yeah. They had that too. Lucky both. It's interesting. When they're out of order, they dry. They're kind of like a golden color, you know, tan, you know, they don't they look, only look black when they're wet. So, which is bad for them, because killer whales bought some real easy against the surface. You know, that was one thing we wanted to see. Was hoping to see some workers, but, but they even told us that they do come in. There's actually a resident pod that ran out somewhere. I forget where we're at, and they said, but, you know, they may have been out Tom they didn't see them. It sounds

George  46:10  
like our trip. We saw a bunch of orcas, and when we were out on the boat, the guy mentioned that there is a family that lives in that Bay, and they come back every year, and it's the same fan that's that's fun.

Lisa RichartHernandez  46:25  
Okay, so let's wrap this up. And I want to ask each one of you, your what your most one that your your, they don't have to be the same thing, what your absolute favorite must do thing if you're going to take your RV to Alaska, your your favorite destination, and what you did there, and then any one tip that you may want to give, I'll let Diane go first.

Diane  46:50  
So tell kitna Alaska, which is where we took off for the flight to Denali and land on the thelkitna air station or airport is where you can fly from. That was just, it's a good, magical but I have to say, I have a second I did not talk about it. I'll talk very briefly about it. Instead of flying over to some of these, like Kodiak, where you want to go see the grizzly bears and spend $1,200 a person on a flight over to see the bears that you're not even you know, guaranteed to see them. We ended up we drove on our way out of Alaska through British Columbia. We drove south along the Alaska, eastern border of Alaska, down to the town of Stewart. And Stewart is right at the border. That's British Columbia, the little town of Hyder, which is a speck of a little town, has a, it's a, it's a state park, so to speak. And they have a boardwalk that you can walk out on in the park. And that board walk goes across the the river and and when we did this, it was in a la in August, when the salmon were running, and that's where we got to see the grizzly bears going after the salmon. Oh, wow, that would be really cool. And it was right, and you're right there, you're able. And that was six bucks, six $3,006 a day. Or you could do a three day pass for like 12 So and then, and then they have the most amazing Mexican restaurant there. The guy comes up from Mexico. Awesome of Mexican food. Very creative, not your usual like cheese on everything and beans and rice. Really creative in that little town. But anyway, so that was Hyder Stuart and Hyder Stewart, British Columbia and Hyder, the town of Hyder. So I have to say those were my two favorite places. Now I

Chuck  48:58  
agree with that. I forgot that part about seeing the critters, that's where we did see the bears, but only because the salmon were running. But that was fun. August.

Diane  49:06  
Go in August when the salmon are running, but

Chuck  49:08  
it's interesting, the bears won't bother you, because they don't. They had the salmon mess with but they do notice you. And I said a dime one time. I said one was fishing for this salmon. He stopped, and he's kind of like staring at us. And I said, I know exactly what he's thinking, crunchy on the outside and soft. Then he then he breaks his gaze and starts going back to fishing, you know, but makes you think, like, I'm not really big on fish, but I do like bipeds. I like

Diane  49:41  
so that we actually learned, though, I learned about that from looking at the caravan website about, oh, that's about doing about going there. So it's like, we're going, we're going this way. You kind of go out of your way. On your way out of Alaska. You kind of go out of your way. But, oh, my God, I would just hands down, go there. I'd go there again and stay it's really amazing.

Chuck  50:03  
On the cast yard called cassards highway. I forget what number that if, anyhow, it goes. It's the only other North South highway to go, and I recommend it coming back down that way, going to Stewart, going to Hyder, and cutting back across, however, Prince George. It's all two lane. 400 miles of two lane, different widths, and, you know, different elevations, not a lot real crazy elevation changes, but a lot of scenery. And it is two lane if you get, if you're going to get real squirrely about right driving on two lane, then steak with 97 that

George  50:35  
might not be a road, but that's a great tip. I mean, it's kind of cheating, but if the caravans are going there, there's a reason. You know they want, they want to give their customers the most experience for and the most bang for their buck, so that, there you go. That's a great tip that we learned today. We're gonna have to do that. I

Chuck  50:55  
don't think the caravans went down to Cassia.

Diane  50:58  
They did. That's how I learned about it. Oh, really, that's how I learned about hider. Yeah, well,

Lisa RichartHernandez  51:02  
that's good, and you don't have your own favorite place or tip. Yeah, I

Chuck  51:07  
agree with her. I think. No, you know the Denali, you got to go. Denali, if you don't go, go to last night, go, Denali. Thing on your head down, because people's gonna break your balls about it. You know? You mean you didn't go, you didn't go to talk either. You didn't go to Denali. What? Why'd you go to Alaska then? Because everybody says that the Alaskans, all the residents, say they're going, Oh, where are you going? Or you're going to go to talking to you going to go to Donald? Oh, yeah. Well, so you got to go, you know, so, but, yeah, I think talking and higher that was good. But, well, where we went, where we saw the that town where I've lost track of, I don't know, remember where the towns were not Seward. Seward was where we had the crab legs, sword

Diane  51:49  
and Hyder. No, no, uh, well, anyway, there's, there's so much, right? Anyhow, but,

Chuck  51:55  
yeah, there's a lot of stuff there. I don't think there was anything that. Well, there's a couple places like, well, let's get the hell out of here.

Lisa RichartHernandez  52:04  
But it wasn't all it was. There were some rainy days, and there were some places that weren't awesome, but you want to make sure you hit all the good places Absolutely.

Diane  52:11  
And even on the rainy days, there's always a brewery, yeah, place or distillery. But

Chuck  52:18  
one thing I will say before we end everything, get Starlink. Oh, take startling. Get Starlink. It's worth every penny and and you get, because otherwise you're gonna, you're gonna be out of touch a lot of stuff. And, you know, you can make phone calls, you know, you can use, you know, yeah, call you got. You got everything you got. You got it all, right, there you got. Your internet, you know, you can stream everything. You know, yeah,

George  52:45  
we have it, and we love it, and it's the greatest purchase we've gotten so far. Unless you're in a really area that has a lot of trees, then it gets a little sketchy, but it still works.

Chuck  52:57  
We had, we only had one spot right when Alaska, that was in Hot Springs tonight, out of there, yeah, it was hot. It was, it was hot as blazes. Now we were we, and they put us in a spot where there was trees. It was nice and cool. But, you know, I can't get the star, 80% 80% of the satellites I could get, no, but it, I mean, it worked. But, you know, just everyone there would, yeah,

Lisa RichartHernandez  53:20  
buffer for a few seconds. That happened us with our Starlink when we stayed at the state park up in North Carolina, even because it was really wooded, you know. So be like, Why does it come and go and Jordan? Like, that's every time the satellite goes over, it only gets that brief little, you know, open window through the trees. I guess I

Diane  53:38  
would think you would be panicked, because you work. Oh, yeah, the reason why we took those two years, I waited until I stopped working, yeah? Otherwise, I would never have done this trip. If I was still working, never. I would have been a nervous wreck. Yeah,

Lisa RichartHernandez  53:50  
I can't imagine honestly, and that's part of one of the things that's kept us away. And there's been a lot of places to be honest that George and I haven't gone because they don't have internet. And I'm like, he knows I'm like a rat in a cage if I don't have my internet because I can't check in on my agents or anything like that. Yeah, a business to run. Yeah, yeah. And Starlink has opened up our world so much.

Chuck  54:12  
That's good. I was going to get in California. Were there before we left to go up and dine so well, let's wait and see. You know how good it gets on by time we got there, then I had to wait till we got to Anchorage so I could go buy Starlink. We

George  54:23  
kind of did the same thing. We're like, ah, let's wait. Let's wait. And then we're finally, we're like, let's just get it. It's it. All we've heard is great things about it, and I'm super glad we got it, because her her rat and a cat's in a cage. This is a small cage, yeah, oh yeah,

Diane  54:38  
I get it, and I'm stuck with the rat,

Lisa RichartHernandez  54:41  
right? Well, yeah, I mean, he's, he's been known where I'm like, pull out, right? McDonald's. I'm writing a contract right now, and I can't get any cell service or Wi Fi. I need to hook into some hot spots. So we have sat in a McDonald's parking lot for an hour before. So I can write contracts and get them in and out and stuff. And. Yeah.

Diane  55:00  
And in my my line of work, I was on with people all the way from across the country, in India, on my headset all day long. So there was no moving the coach. While I was working, I was planted and I stayed there. Yeah, that was it, yeah, yeah.

Lisa RichartHernandez  55:17  
So someday, baby, when I retire, we're going to go hit Alaska. We

George  55:23  
need to do it before you retire. Because, don't forget, I'm a lot older than you, and by the time you retire, I might not be able to walk up these steps.

Lisa RichartHernandez  55:32  
You look like a okay, maybe along, maybe we plan for a long vacation. Well, thank you so much. You guys. It's been great learning about your trip to Alaska. Maybe next time we come into the resort at Hilton Head Island motor coach resort, we can do another talk about some other fabulous places, because I know I followed you for two years, we could probably talk for 10 hours straight about it, or have just your own podcast about it, probably, could

Diane  56:02  
definitely bore you for many, many hours,

Chuck  56:05  
you were following us, but we were following you, too, around your journey. Yeah, I know going back

Lisa RichartHernandez  56:10  
and forth. People said We travel all over the place, which I don't feel like we do as much anymore, but I guess to because I'm always in the RV, they think I'm traveling. I'm mostly going from work to work exactly.

Chuck  56:22  
I would tell I'd say, look on Facebook, Diane. I said, Diane, guess where George and Lisa is. I gave you two guesses.

Diane  56:31  
Alabama for the longest time. Key West. Oh yeah,

George  56:36  
that and we weren't going to go this year, but our friends talked us into it, and I'm glad they did, because we got a chance to actually relax in Key West for once, which is hard to believe during fantasy fest, right? But thank you guys for coming and talking to us. And like Lisa said, when we get back, let's do another one, and we can talk about beautiful places in the United States and Canada and everything else. And

Diane  57:02  
thank you, thank you for having us. That was it's a real pleasure being on this Thank you. Thank

Lisa RichartHernandez  57:06  
you so thanks for having us. We'll put Chuck and Diane's contact information in our show notes. If you want to reach out to them, you can do it through our website, our view podcast. It's R, V, I, E, W, podcast.com and you can listen to us on anything you listen to podcasts on. So share this and like like it and share it with your friends. Thanks friends,

intro  57:27  
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